#131 How Highly Creative People Can Be More Productive w/ Sam Bennett

1 00:01:03,258.665852189 --> 00:01:05,508.665852189 You are listening to the Build Your Vision podcast. 2 00:01:06,138.665852189 --> 00:01:16,968.665852189 A podcast series about maneuvering the ups and downs of building a life that you're proud of, captured in real time, a community where dreamers become doers, doers become world changers. 3 00:01:17,448.665852189 --> 00:01:17,688.665852189 Let's go. 4 00:02:12,993.64465193 --> 00:02:14,133.64465193 I started as an actor. 5 00:02:14,133.64465193 --> 00:02:15,303.64465193 I spent my whole life acting. 6 00:02:15,303.64465193 --> 00:02:26,193.64465193 I was one of those kids who did all the shows in school and I went to theater camp and I went to school for theater and I actually dropped outta college to get a job at the Second City, um, theater in Chicago, which is a famous improv comedy. 7 00:02:26,228.64465193 --> 00:02:27,698.64465193 Club and that was it. 8 00:02:27,698.64465193 --> 00:02:30,338.64465193 That was my whole, that I had no plan B, like that was it. 9 00:02:30,338.64465193 --> 00:02:35,228.64465193 I was acting and I had one of those acting careers that went well enough that you didn't wanna give up on it. 10 00:02:35,228.64465193 --> 00:02:38,918.64465193 I mean, I worked for sure, but not well enough to support a person. 11 00:02:39,158.64465193 --> 00:02:39,708.64465193 Right, right. 12 00:02:39,848.64465193 --> 00:02:45,148.64465193 I'm five at 11, so especially for television, like I look like I'm about to eat course. 13 00:02:46,288.64465193 --> 00:02:49,358.64465193 So I was a little tough to cast, but I still, you know, I still worked. 14 00:02:49,748.64465193 --> 00:02:51,788.64465193 So that meant that I had every other job on the planet. 15 00:02:52,283.64465193 --> 00:02:53,243.64465193 I delivered flowers. 16 00:02:53,243.64465193 --> 00:02:54,323.64465193 I was a barista. 17 00:02:54,323.64465193 --> 00:02:55,523.64465193 I was an executive assistant. 18 00:02:55,553.64465193 --> 00:02:56,723.64465193 I produced radio dramas. 19 00:02:56,723.64465193 --> 00:02:57,863.64465193 I was a Whitewater River guide. 20 00:02:57,863.64465193 --> 00:02:59,813.64465193 I did voiceovers for pinball machines. 21 00:02:59,813.64465193 --> 00:03:01,43.64465193 I did everything. 22 00:03:01,283.64465193 --> 00:03:01,583.64465193 Wow. 23 00:03:01,793.64465193 --> 00:03:10,363.64465193 And then along the way, I just got really interested in this question of how to creative people make decisions when you could kind of do anything. 24 00:03:10,743.64465193 --> 00:03:15,353.64465193 How do you know what to do and how do you stick with it and follow through when. 25 00:03:15,768.64465193 --> 00:03:16,698.64465193 Kind of nobody cares. 26 00:03:16,698.64465193 --> 00:03:19,188.64465193 You know, like there's no quarterly review on where's going. 27 00:03:19,248.64465193 --> 00:03:19,458.64465193 Right. 28 00:03:20,118.64465193 --> 00:03:24,558.64465193 Um, so, um, and I noticed that I was pretty good at getting stuff done. 29 00:03:24,558.64465193 --> 00:03:25,668.64465193 I was producing shows. 30 00:03:25,668.64465193 --> 00:03:28,998.64465193 I did my own voiceover reel, you know, I could move through stuff. 31 00:03:28,998.64465193 --> 00:03:31,368.64465193 And a lot of my highly creative friends had trouble with that. 32 00:03:31,788.64465193 --> 00:03:39,888.64465193 So I just started to think like, well, how would you figure that out, you know? And I just started to come up with these sort of worksheets and questions and inquiries and little imagination games and stuff. 33 00:03:39,888.64465193 --> 00:03:40,978.64465193 And I started teaching this class. 34 00:03:41,763.64465193 --> 00:03:48,633.64465193 In a church basement in Van Nuys, California to like 11 people and maybe I charged them $75 and felt really super shy about it. 35 00:03:49,833.64465193 --> 00:03:56,463.64465193 But it was fun and I liked it and they were start starting to see results and I would do it once or twice a year, cuz this is like 2001. 36 00:03:56,553.64465193 --> 00:03:58,533.64465193 And then in 2009 I. 37 00:03:58,663.64465193 --> 00:04:03,793.64465193 I had had a day gig with a company that laid off like two thirds of their workforce, including me. 38 00:04:04,453.64465193 --> 00:04:09,363.64465193 I had another thing that I thought was lined up that then fell through, and I just had this big gap in my schedule and I was like, oh no. 39 00:04:10,363.64465193 --> 00:04:11,803.64465193 Now I go get another day gig. 40 00:04:11,893.64465193 --> 00:04:12,793.64465193 Ugh. 41 00:04:13,813.64465193 --> 00:04:16,643.64465193 And then I thought, well, I wonder if I could do this full-time. 42 00:04:17,303.64465193 --> 00:04:17,773.64465193 And then I. 43 00:04:18,993.64465193 --> 00:04:21,723.64465193 The teaching At that time, the business was called the Organized Artist Company. 44 00:04:21,963.64465193 --> 00:04:26,313.64465193 At first I thought I was gonna do like sort of home and office organization for people, but that I got outta that quick. 45 00:04:27,723.64465193 --> 00:04:29,583.64465193 People are nuts when it comes to their stuff. 46 00:04:29,883.64465193 --> 00:04:32,343.64465193 I'd much rather organize the inside of your brain than the inside of your closet. 47 00:04:32,943.64465193 --> 00:04:33,963.64465193 Yeah, it was great. 48 00:04:33,963.64465193 --> 00:04:36,93.64465193 It turned out to be super duper fun. 49 00:04:36,93.64465193 --> 00:04:48,333.64465193 So, Let's go back to that, that class in like 2001, you were basically helping creative people make decisions for their life path or like helping them choose which path to take creatively. 50 00:04:48,338.64465193 --> 00:04:50,553.64465193 Could you like explain that a little bit more for me please? Yeah. 51 00:04:51,33.64465193 --> 00:04:55,413.64465193 Um, so some of them, yeah, were just people who just wanted to juju up their lives a little bit more. 52 00:04:55,413.64465193 --> 00:04:56,254.64465193 They just were feeling a little. 53 00:04:57,243.64465193 --> 00:05:01,383.64465193 Numb maybe in the, yeah, they wanted to, to feel more involved and more creative in their life. 54 00:05:01,743.64465193 --> 00:05:04,473.64465193 A lot of them were people who would self define as creatives. 55 00:05:04,533.64465193 --> 00:05:14,523.64465193 So they had a show they wanted to produce, or they wanted to book more commercials, or they wanted to get a new agent, or they wanted to write a book, or they wanted to, you know, move into some other area in their career. 56 00:05:14,883.64465193 --> 00:05:21,513.64465193 And so this was sort of a workshop slash support group to help people move forward on whatever it was that was important to them. 57 00:05:22,173.64465193 --> 00:05:22,593.64465193 Wow. 58 00:05:22,593.64465193 --> 00:05:34,743.64465193 So what were some of the like stories that you were hearing from people that were going through this with you? Like what was happening in their lives? What, what type of changes were they making? I remember there was one guy who, um, wanted to be a screenwriter. 59 00:05:34,743.64465193 --> 00:05:45,753.64465193 He was quite young, uh, and he was very funny and he wanted to be a screenwriter and he was just, you know, having a lot of trouble sitting down and writing, which is the hard part about being a writer is that you have to sit down and write. 60 00:05:45,753.64465193 --> 00:05:46,743.64465193 Right, exactly. 61 00:05:47,313.64465193 --> 00:05:50,463.64465193 It's very challenging and, um, a lot harder than it looks. 62 00:05:50,763.64465193 --> 00:05:54,123.64465193 But he had a little bit of a miraculous thing happen. 63 00:05:54,183.64465193 --> 00:05:56,223.64465193 Um, his Xbox broke. 64 00:05:56,628.64465193 --> 00:05:58,278.64465193 And he did not get it repaired. 65 00:06:00,138.64465193 --> 00:06:09,768.64465193 And I remember we were doing this exercise where I asked people to, first of all, just tell me what their problem is, you know, because everybody's like, you know what my problem is? My problem is right. 66 00:06:09,768.64465193 --> 00:06:14,878.64465193 And this guy goes, my problem is like, I talk the talk, but I don't walk the walk. 67 00:06:15,168.64465193 --> 00:06:23,893.64465193 And then the way this little exercise goes is I have, I say, and then I have everybody go around the room and say, Hey, let's say his name was, Jeffrey, you know, Hey Jeffrey, I have this friend. 68 00:06:23,893.64465193 --> 00:06:24,733.64465193 He's amazing. 69 00:06:24,733.64465193 --> 00:06:26,893.64465193 You would love him, and he has this problem. 70 00:06:27,73.64465193 --> 00:06:29,233.64465193 He talks the talk, but he doesn't walk the walk. 71 00:06:29,323.64465193 --> 00:06:34,933.64465193 What advice do you have for him? And it's really fun to frame up questions that way, because of course it's so much easier to solve everybody else's problems. 72 00:06:34,933.64465193 --> 00:06:35,353.64465193 Right? Exactly. 73 00:06:35,353.64465193 --> 00:06:35,413.64465193 Yeah. 74 00:06:35,713.64465193 --> 00:06:42,148.64465193 So the minute you start thinking about it like, oh, well, what would I say? And then you would have like six people in a row ask you this question. 75 00:06:42,238.64465193 --> 00:06:42,808.64465193 It's really cool. 76 00:06:42,808.64465193 --> 00:06:51,478.64465193 Like the first couple of answers you give are sort of your standard advice, giving answers, you know, sort of conventional wisdom or, or what you say to yourself all the time in your head. 77 00:06:52,138.64465193 --> 00:06:54,208.64465193 But by the time you've answered it five or six times, you're. 78 00:06:54,273.64465193 --> 00:07:00,933.64465193 Brain sort of starts to rattle around a little bit and people end up saying the most amazing things. 79 00:07:01,563.64465193 --> 00:07:05,943.64465193 And so when we finally got around the circle and the last person was saying, so Jeffrey, I have this friend. 80 00:07:05,943.64465193 --> 00:07:06,483.64465193 He's amazing. 81 00:07:06,483.64465193 --> 00:07:06,963.64465193 You'd love him. 82 00:07:07,653.64465193 --> 00:07:08,523.64465193 He has this problem. 83 00:07:08,673.64465193 --> 00:07:10,353.64465193 He talks the talk, but he doesn't walk the walk. 84 00:07:10,353.64465193 --> 00:07:18,233.64465193 What advice do you have for him? This kid looked up and he goes, you should tell your friend that there's nothing scary about success. 85 00:07:21,228.64465193 --> 00:07:22,998.64465193 And I was like, and touchdown. 86 00:07:22,998.64465193 --> 00:07:23,898.64465193 My work here is done. 87 00:07:23,898.64465193 --> 00:07:24,348.64465193 Thank you very much. 88 00:07:25,238.64465193 --> 00:07:25,458.64465193 Wow. 89 00:07:26,538.64465193 --> 00:07:28,98.64465193 So that's a lot of what it was. 90 00:07:28,98.64465193 --> 00:07:33,348.64465193 It that's a lot of what I do is just help acquaint people with their own inner wisdom with what they already know to be true. 91 00:07:33,798.64465193 --> 00:07:38,868.64465193 I did, I think like two episodes possibly on the fear of failure, right? Mm-hmm. 92 00:07:39,108.64465193 --> 00:07:39,168.64465193 Yeah. 93 00:07:39,168.64465193 --> 00:07:43,458.64465193 And it's just now in this season, I've been talking so much more about the fear of success. 94 00:07:43,668.64465193 --> 00:07:45,138.64465193 I've been seeing it so much. 95 00:07:45,198.64465193 --> 00:07:46,578.64465193 I'm like, cuz you, you have everything. 96 00:07:46,578.64465193 --> 00:07:54,633.64465193 What, what is, what is holding you back? And you're like, Well, what if it works? What if it works? Will I be ready? And then everybody expects me to be great all the time. 97 00:07:54,783.64465193 --> 00:07:57,63.64465193 But yeah, no, the fear of success is a very real thing. 98 00:07:57,63.64465193 --> 00:08:03,633.64465193 And, and, um, I've done it myself where like I'll have a project that I feel really great about and I'll take it from one to 99.5 99 00:08:03,823.64465193 --> 00:08:04,243.64465193 mm-hmm. 100 00:08:04,463.64465193 --> 00:08:05,723.64465193 And not mm-hmm. 101 00:08:06,303.64465193 --> 00:08:09,903.64465193 Do the thing that's actually gonna get it out into the world or that's gonna actually help it grow or succeed. 102 00:08:10,473.64465193 --> 00:08:10,923.64465193 Yeah. 103 00:08:11,763.64465193 --> 00:08:15,333.64465193 What would you say to the person that they're listening right now and they're like, that's me. 104 00:08:15,723.64465193 --> 00:08:22,473.64465193 What do I do? One thing that occurs to me is there's a difference between you and your work. 105 00:08:23,313.64465193 --> 00:08:23,403.64465193 Mm-hmm. 106 00:08:23,643.64465193 --> 00:08:38,88.64465193 Right? And this thing that you've been called to do, that you're feeling called forward to, do you have to sort of humble yourself to this work? You're not a hundred percent in charge of how it goes or how it gets received. 107 00:08:38,208.64465193 --> 00:08:46,68.64465193 I'm, tell me when my, uh, when the second book was coming out, uh, I was doing some work with a coach, first of all, that would make best step one, get a coach, get a mentor, get a teacher. 108 00:08:46,68.64465193 --> 00:08:53,568.64465193 Get somebody that you love and respect and trust and who you feel like loves and respects and trusts you and who has done what it is you want to do. 109 00:08:53,958.64465193 --> 00:08:56,58.64465193 Yes, yes. 110 00:08:56,148.64465193 --> 00:08:59,238.64465193 You know, not to run down any of my brothers and sisters in the personal development world, but. 111 00:08:59,853.64465193 --> 00:09:05,613.64465193 There are a lot of people out there who, what's happening onstage is very different than what's happening backstage, and there's a lack of integrity there. 112 00:09:06,153.64465193 --> 00:09:09,843.64465193 So find the person who's done what you wanna do and hang on, pay them whatever they wanna be paid. 113 00:09:09,843.64465193 --> 00:09:14,373.64465193 I have paid hundreds, uh, well over hundred thousand dollars in Yep. 114 00:09:14,703.64465193 --> 00:09:16,443.64465193 To, and I'd do it again in a minute. 115 00:09:16,443.64465193 --> 00:09:16,533.64465193 Yep. 116 00:09:16,998.64465193 --> 00:09:17,448.64465193 In a minute. 117 00:09:17,508.64465193 --> 00:09:18,558.64465193 I don't know how people do it without it. 118 00:09:18,858.64465193 --> 00:09:26,268.64465193 But, uh, uh, my second book was coming out and I was working with a coach to, to help clear up any of this, you know, internal barriers to success. 119 00:09:26,658.64465193 --> 00:09:38,988.64465193 And I was kind of freaking out about all the interviews I had coming up, and all of a sudden I had this sort of blaze of insight and I went, oh my gosh, it's not my book. 120 00:09:40,428.64465193 --> 00:09:40,668.64465193 Wow. 121 00:09:40,673.64465193 --> 00:09:43,398.64465193 What do you, what do you mean? I said, it's not my book. 122 00:09:44,373.64465193 --> 00:09:48,483.64465193 He said, what does that mean? I said, I don't know, but I feel like I just took off like a 10,000 pound suit of armor. 123 00:09:49,863.64465193 --> 00:09:57,663.64465193 And as I talked through it more, I realized I think it's the way people who have children must feel, you know, when your child goes out and does something amazing in the world, I. 124 00:09:58,308.64465193 --> 00:10:00,303.64465193 That's not your success, that's theirs. 125 00:10:00,363.64465193 --> 00:10:02,283.64465193 I mean, yes, you had something to do with it. 126 00:10:02,283.64465193 --> 00:10:03,363.64465193 They came through you. 127 00:10:03,363.64465193 --> 00:10:05,643.64465193 They're part of you, but they're themselves. 128 00:10:06,213.64465193 --> 00:10:09,93.64465193 And when I finally got that about my book, no, the book is the book. 129 00:10:09,93.64465193 --> 00:10:11,913.64465193 The book gets to be out there and people get to have their own experience of it. 130 00:10:11,918.64465193 --> 00:10:14,253.64465193 And it doesn't really have all that much to do with me. 131 00:10:14,313.64465193 --> 00:10:16,624.64465193 So I can like love it and be proud of it, but it's not me. 132 00:10:16,653.64465193 --> 00:10:16,943.64465193 Yeah. 133 00:10:16,943.64465193 --> 00:10:17,343.64465193 It's not my book. 134 00:10:17,733.64465193 --> 00:10:19,53.64465193 Yeah, that definitely. 135 00:10:19,203.64465193 --> 00:10:22,293.64465193 And, and I incorporate faith into everything that I do. 136 00:10:22,503.64465193 --> 00:10:30,288.64465193 And when I hear that, I think of, well, if I feel called to this, Clearly something bigger than me had to call me to it. 137 00:10:30,558.64465193 --> 00:10:30,978.64465193 Right. 138 00:10:31,818.64465193 --> 00:10:33,888.64465193 And the work is the work. 139 00:10:34,398.64465193 --> 00:10:35,358.64465193 I'm the vessel. 140 00:10:35,898.64465193 --> 00:10:41,178.64465193 And once the work is out there, that is beyond me, because I wasn't the one that called myself. 141 00:10:41,538.64465193 --> 00:10:42,318.64465193 Exactly. 142 00:10:42,618.64465193 --> 00:10:49,938.64465193 And to understand that, you know, this, this person that you are, that, that, that got delivered this idea, right? You didn't ask to be this way. 143 00:10:50,868.64465193 --> 00:10:51,378.64465193 Right, right. 144 00:10:51,378.64465193 --> 00:11:01,38.64465193 You didn't ask to be this smart or this inquisitive, or this curious, or this sarcastic or this have this sense of color or design or gift for healing or whatever it is that you, you just arrived this way. 145 00:11:01,98.64465193 --> 00:11:01,518.64465193 Mm-hmm. 146 00:11:01,698.64465193 --> 00:11:02,118.64465193 Mm-hmm. 147 00:11:02,203.64465193 --> 00:11:05,208.64465193 So these were your gifts, right? This is what was given to you. 148 00:11:06,168.64465193 --> 00:11:08,368.64465193 What do we do with gifts? We give them, we share them with the world. 149 00:11:09,228.64465193 --> 00:11:09,528.64465193 Yeah. 150 00:11:09,528.64465193 --> 00:11:09,768.64465193 Right. 151 00:11:10,18.64465193 --> 00:11:12,678.64465193 And it's, yeah, it's not really your business, how it's received. 152 00:11:12,768.64465193 --> 00:11:17,928.64465193 And you know, as a friend of mine always reminds me, God did not bring you this far to leave you behind now, so Exactly. 153 00:11:18,78.64465193 --> 00:11:33,783.64465193 Because people have this weird thing, especially, and I deal with a lot of church folk and it's weird, but like they have this thing of between business and ministry, And they feel awkward or strange charging for their gifts. 154 00:11:33,783.64465193 --> 00:11:33,873.64465193 Mm-hmm. 155 00:11:34,233.64465193 --> 00:11:37,593.64465193 Cause they're so used to the church atmosphere where you just give, give, give. 156 00:11:37,593.64465193 --> 00:11:37,923.64465193 Right. 157 00:11:38,703.64465193 --> 00:11:43,533.64465193 And we're like, well, Giving doesn't mean that you do everything for free. 158 00:11:43,683.64465193 --> 00:11:50,553.64465193 If you had the cure for cancer, would you just say, well, you know, I don't wanna be too aggressive. 159 00:11:50,553.64465193 --> 00:11:53,583.64465193 I don't wanna really make anyone feel weird. 160 00:11:53,803.64465193 --> 00:11:55,443.64465193 I, me, I wanna be pushy. 161 00:11:55,713.64465193 --> 00:11:56,913.64465193 Like, no, you have to. 162 00:11:57,63.64465193 --> 00:11:59,323.64465193 They need the cure and you have it. 163 00:11:59,943.64465193 --> 00:12:08,923.64465193 Be bold about it, be excited about it, and provide the service because you would feel like a terrible person if you had something that could help somebody else. 164 00:12:09,423.64465193 --> 00:12:12,273.64465193 And you withheld it from them for your reasons. 165 00:12:13,68.64465193 --> 00:12:14,238.64465193 Well, that's exactly right. 166 00:12:14,238.64465193 --> 00:12:18,798.64465193 I had a friend tell me right when I was first starting and said, you know, Sam, do you think what you do helps people? And I'm like, yeah, I think it does. 167 00:12:18,803.64465193 --> 00:12:20,688.64465193 And it goes, and then you have an obligation. 168 00:12:20,988.64465193 --> 00:12:21,228.64465193 Yeah. 169 00:12:21,348.64465193 --> 00:12:27,258.64465193 And grab him by the lapels a little bit and say, you know, Hey, get in here because you have something important. 170 00:12:27,438.64465193 --> 00:12:27,858.64465193 Yeah. 171 00:12:27,918.64465193 --> 00:12:28,98.64465193 Yeah. 172 00:12:28,98.64465193 --> 00:12:29,778.64465193 I always say, you know, yeah. 173 00:12:29,778.64465193 --> 00:12:37,458.64465193 This, this, this cult to, you know, there's, there's a poverty consciousness, a lot in the arts, a lot in, in churches and, and other religious organizations. 174 00:12:37,998.64465193 --> 00:12:39,528.64465193 And it doesn't do anybody any favors. 175 00:12:39,803.64465193 --> 00:12:41,183.64465193 You know, it really doesn't help. 176 00:12:41,243.64465193 --> 00:12:43,463.64465193 Sales is a sacred exchange of energy. 177 00:12:43,613.64465193 --> 00:12:49,43.64465193 So I come with my gifts and skills and talents, and I create a container for you to do it as you wanna do. 178 00:12:49,283.64465193 --> 00:12:52,143.64465193 And you come with your good intentions and your hard work and money. 179 00:12:52,203.64465193 --> 00:12:52,623.64465193 Mm-hmm. 180 00:12:52,708.64465193 --> 00:12:55,163.64465193 And that's how we make this sacred exchange of energy. 181 00:12:55,163.64465193 --> 00:12:59,723.64465193 And when we think about other sacred exchanges of energy, like a hug is a sacred exchange of energy. 182 00:13:00,173.64465193 --> 00:13:02,928.64465193 Well, if I hug you and you're just standing there, Right. 183 00:13:02,928.64465193 --> 00:13:03,588.64465193 That's awkward. 184 00:13:05,508.64465193 --> 00:13:06,978.64465193 It doesn't feel good to anybody. 185 00:13:07,128.64465193 --> 00:13:07,428.64465193 Right. 186 00:13:07,788.64465193 --> 00:13:13,98.64465193 Um, we both need to be participating, right? And what I notice is if I don't charge, people don't pay attention. 187 00:13:13,818.64465193 --> 00:13:15,638.64465193 Yeah, literally pay attention. 188 00:13:16,198.64465193 --> 00:13:17,398.64465193 Literally pay attention. 189 00:13:17,668.64465193 --> 00:13:18,158.64465193 Exactly. 190 00:13:18,648.64465193 --> 00:13:19,158.64465193 Spot on. 191 00:13:19,518.64465193 --> 00:13:20,28.64465193 Yeah. 192 00:13:20,418.64465193 --> 00:13:26,478.64465193 So, uh, I know I, I hear this a lot in the community, right? I have all these different things I can sing. 193 00:13:26,538.64465193 --> 00:13:27,438.64465193 I'm good at math. 194 00:13:27,438.64465193 --> 00:13:29,178.64465193 I, I got an engineering degree. 195 00:13:29,448.64465193 --> 00:13:33,318.64465193 Um, I can draw, you know, I can stitch, I could sew. 196 00:13:33,918.64465193 --> 00:13:34,818.64465193 I don't know what to do. 197 00:13:34,823.64465193 --> 00:13:37,38.64465193 I, I can't do everything and do it well. 198 00:13:37,338.64465193 --> 00:13:44,283.64465193 How do I choose which path to take? What would you give to the person that's just in that creative confusion? Uh, okay. 199 00:13:44,283.64465193 --> 00:13:47,793.64465193 First of all, I wanna say this is not a character defect. 200 00:13:48,393.64465193 --> 00:13:49,863.64465193 There is nothing wrong with you. 201 00:13:50,163.64465193 --> 00:13:54,33.64465193 You are what is known as a highly creative person. 202 00:13:54,813.64465193 --> 00:13:56,913.64465193 Let's make a distinction between creative and artistic. 203 00:13:57,598.64465193 --> 00:13:58,218.64465193 Oh, okay. 204 00:13:58,218.64465193 --> 00:13:58,458.64465193 Right. 205 00:13:58,638.64465193 --> 00:13:59,448.64465193 Everyone is creative. 206 00:13:59,448.64465193 --> 00:14:00,558.64465193 Not everyone is artistic. 207 00:14:00,888.64465193 --> 00:14:03,378.64465193 Creativity has to do with innovative problem solving. 208 00:14:03,588.64465193 --> 00:14:07,518.64465193 If you have ever solved a problem differently than anybody else has ever solved the problem, congratulations. 209 00:14:07,608.64465193 --> 00:14:08,808.64465193 You are a creative genius. 210 00:14:09,18.64465193 --> 00:14:09,138.64465193 Mm-hmm. 211 00:14:09,708.64465193 --> 00:14:11,328.64465193 Right? And everybody has that. 212 00:14:11,388.64465193 --> 00:14:13,518.64465193 Everybody has that thing that they're like, I don't know. 213 00:14:13,518.64465193 --> 00:14:14,938.64465193 I've just always been really interested in it. 214 00:14:15,198.64465193 --> 00:14:16,878.64465193 You know, I just love gardening. 215 00:14:16,878.64465193 --> 00:14:18,258.64465193 I love reading all about it. 216 00:14:18,258.64465193 --> 00:14:20,448.64465193 I love, they're with my seed catalogs in February. 217 00:14:20,448.64465193 --> 00:14:28,398.64465193 I just love it, you know? Or I just love Chinese pottery, or I just love the ballet, or I love whatever, you know, go-karts, whatever it is, you know? Mm-hmm. 218 00:14:28,404.64465193 --> 00:14:30,138.64465193 People have that thing that they just love. 219 00:14:30,143.64465193 --> 00:14:30,478.64465193 Mm-hmm. 220 00:14:30,778.64465193 --> 00:14:34,458.64465193 Um, and they're great at it, and that's super exciting and fun. 221 00:14:35,538.64465193 --> 00:14:39,18.64465193 Highly creative people have a lot of those things. 222 00:14:39,18.64465193 --> 00:14:40,488.64465193 We're good at a lot of things. 223 00:14:40,488.64465193 --> 00:14:44,328.64465193 We can pick things up really easily, which means we don't develop much in the way of patience. 224 00:14:45,198.64465193 --> 00:14:47,208.64465193 Sometimes if we're not good at something right away, we're out. 225 00:14:47,628.64465193 --> 00:14:52,328.64465193 We're tenacious, but we're not very patient and it can seem to the rest of the world. 226 00:14:52,758.64465193 --> 00:14:53,328.64465193 Very confusing. 227 00:14:53,388.64465193 --> 00:14:57,768.64465193 It can seem like we're dilatants or like we're flaky or like, well, you should just focus on one thing. 228 00:14:58,848.64465193 --> 00:14:59,28.64465193 Okay. 229 00:14:59,28.64465193 --> 00:15:01,878.64465193 People who like to focus on one thing should focus on one thing. 230 00:15:01,878.64465193 --> 00:15:02,688.64465193 Mm-hmm. 231 00:15:03,408.64465193 --> 00:15:06,498.64465193 Pe those of us who like to focus on several things, should focus on several things. 232 00:15:07,128.64465193 --> 00:15:16,368.64465193 I created a bit of a prison of desire for myself, um, in my twenties and thirties, uh, because I was so focused on acting. 233 00:15:16,788.64465193 --> 00:15:21,38.64465193 Even though I had all these other skills, I was, you know, I mean, I was a good writer then too. 234 00:15:21,858.64465193 --> 00:15:25,638.64465193 Um, but I had this focus of like, no, no, only acting matters. 235 00:15:25,908.64465193 --> 00:15:27,978.64465193 Only act, only the money I make from acting matters. 236 00:15:27,978.64465193 --> 00:15:30,168.64465193 Only the achievements I have in acting matters. 237 00:15:30,378.64465193 --> 00:15:31,728.64465193 None of this other stuff matters. 238 00:15:32,823.64465193 --> 00:15:38,403.64465193 And finally, finally, finally, after torturing myself, I realized, wait a minute. 239 00:15:39,993.64465193 --> 00:15:55,293.64465193 The person who writes is the same person who's an actor, is the same person who loves to do Needle Point, is the same person who loves to, you know, craft and do fun things, you know, is the same person who loves to make dinner, is the same person who loves to work out. 240 00:15:55,293.64465193 --> 00:15:57,483.64465193 Like this is all of me. 241 00:15:58,938.64465193 --> 00:16:06,198.64465193 And it was, the thing I really loved about acting and particularly imp improvising, is that I like, I got to bring all of myself to what I was doing, right? Acting used. 242 00:16:06,198.64465193 --> 00:16:15,48.64465193 All of me who I was physically, intellectually, emotionally, spiritually, psychically, creatively tally, like all of me got to show up. 243 00:16:15,568.64465193 --> 00:16:20,238.64465193 And it was the thing I hated about having my day gigs is I felt like I was leaving two thirds of myself in the car. 244 00:16:20,718.64465193 --> 00:16:21,258.64465193 Yes. 245 00:16:21,468.64465193 --> 00:16:22,818.64465193 They didn't care who I was. 246 00:16:23,193.64465193 --> 00:16:23,433.64465193 Right. 247 00:16:23,553.64465193 --> 00:16:26,703.64465193 Creatively or spiritually or traumatically or sexually or any way. 248 00:16:26,703.64465193 --> 00:16:28,683.64465193 They just wanted me to come in and do the thing and leave. 249 00:16:28,733.64465193 --> 00:16:29,153.64465193 Mm-hmm. 250 00:16:29,973.64465193 --> 00:16:31,113.64465193 And there was torture for me. 251 00:16:31,863.64465193 --> 00:16:32,703.64465193 It was torture. 252 00:16:33,333.64465193 --> 00:16:39,633.64465193 Um, and so entrepreneurship is the only other thing I ever found other than acting that engaged my whole self. 253 00:16:40,173.6446519 --> 00:16:40,383.6446519 Yes. 254 00:16:40,383.6446519 --> 00:16:41,373.6446519 Where I was like, oh my gosh. 255 00:16:41,373.6446519 --> 00:16:43,263.6446519 This entire business is an art project. 256 00:16:43,623.6446519 --> 00:16:43,773.6446519 Yeah. 257 00:16:43,773.6446519 --> 00:16:45,303.6446519 My accounting is an art project. 258 00:16:45,303.6446519 --> 00:16:46,683.6446519 My marketing is an art project. 259 00:16:47,193.6446519 --> 00:16:49,173.6446519 The, my sales conversations are our project. 260 00:16:49,173.6446519 --> 00:16:51,153.6446519 The podcasts I do are an art project. 261 00:16:51,153.6446519 --> 00:16:52,323.6446519 Like it's all. 262 00:16:52,683.6446519 --> 00:16:55,563.6446519 Engaging all of me, and that's what's made it so fun. 263 00:16:56,43.6446519 --> 00:17:02,823.6446519 So make sure that you find a place where you are valued for being all the things that you are. 264 00:17:03,93.6446519 --> 00:17:09,273.6446519 There's a a book by a guy named KIPP Tindel called Uncontainable, KIPP Tindel found at the Container Store. 265 00:17:09,828.6446519 --> 00:17:10,38.6446519 Yes. 266 00:17:10,68.6446519 --> 00:17:12,338.6446519 Which I love going to the containers You love. 267 00:17:12,338.6446519 --> 00:17:15,108.6446519 The containers so beautiful in there. 268 00:17:15,408.6446519 --> 00:17:17,58.6446519 Like Oh, oh, all the box. 269 00:17:17,58.6446519 --> 00:17:18,48.6446519 Yeah, all the things. 270 00:17:18,468.6446519 --> 00:17:24,528.6446519 Um, he says one of his keys to success is he hires people who are, what he calls three and one. 271 00:17:25,488.6446519 --> 00:17:28,398.6446519 They have so many skills and talents that it's like hiring three people. 272 00:17:28,698.6446519 --> 00:17:28,818.6446519 I. 273 00:17:29,238.6446519 --> 00:17:29,868.6446519 Wow. 274 00:17:30,78.6446519 --> 00:17:31,458.6446519 He's like, that's how you grow your business. 275 00:17:31,458.6446519 --> 00:17:41,568.6446519 That's how you have a success is when you've got somebody who's like, yes, I'm hiring their, um, as my executive assistant, but they also do graphic design and they're also great at, you know, systems management or whatever. 276 00:17:42,18.6446519 --> 00:17:42,798.6446519 And that's what I do too. 277 00:17:42,858.6446519 --> 00:17:46,398.6446519 I hire geniuses and I pay them whatever they want, and I let them pretty much do whatever they want. 278 00:17:46,768.6446519 --> 00:17:48,28.6446519 So go where you're celebrated. 279 00:17:48,78.6446519 --> 00:17:49,488.6446519 Don't stay where you're tolerated. 280 00:17:49,493.6446519 --> 00:17:50,188.6446519 Go where you're celebrated. 281 00:17:50,638.6446519 --> 00:17:51,538.6446519 And make your own path. 282 00:17:51,538.6446519 --> 00:17:58,798.6446519 Like there's no reason you can't be the vegan plumber who has side business and flower arrangement. 283 00:17:58,798.6446519 --> 00:18:00,928.6446519 Like Yeah, that's, you can do that. 284 00:18:01,168.6446519 --> 00:18:01,648.6446519 You're allowed. 285 00:18:01,648.6446519 --> 00:18:01,768.6446519 I am. 286 00:18:02,518.6446519 --> 00:18:08,938.6446519 I feel like I've talked about this over like the past, like so many episodes, but it's okay cuz it's gonna be someone's first time listening to the podcast, so it's fine. 287 00:18:09,478.6446519 --> 00:18:13,888.6446519 We came across this, I think it was either the, I think it was at the end of the last season where we were. 288 00:18:14,763.6446519 --> 00:18:16,803.6446519 Talked about this thing called layering because mm-hmm. 289 00:18:17,43.6446519 --> 00:18:25,53.6446519 You know, in entrepreneurship, right? So like Build your vision podcast, you build a life and business that you're proud of, right? In business, they tell you, you know, the riches are in the niches. 290 00:18:25,323.6446519 --> 00:18:32,883.6446519 I think maybe two episodes ago we talked about that exact same thing, and before then we talked about this concept of layering instead of narrowing. 291 00:18:33,633.6446519 --> 00:18:37,143.6446519 Where you are going deeper with who you are instead of narrowing who you are. 292 00:18:37,443.6446519 --> 00:18:37,773.6446519 Mm-hmm. 293 00:18:37,883.6446519 --> 00:18:41,733.6446519 So, you know, you say like the plumber who's vegan, that also does flower arrangements. 294 00:18:41,733.6446519 --> 00:18:43,473.6446519 Like that is your lane. 295 00:18:43,478.6446519 --> 00:18:44,703.6446519 Like Totally. 296 00:18:46,83.6446519 --> 00:18:54,303.6446519 And, and no one else is gonna do it how you can do it, because how many other plumbers are also vegan and like to have flower arrangements with their customers or whatever it is. 297 00:18:54,393.6446519 --> 00:18:54,603.6446519 Right. 298 00:18:54,603.6446519 --> 00:18:54,813.6446519 Yeah. 299 00:18:55,138.6446519 --> 00:18:55,738.6446519 Exactly. 300 00:18:55,738.6446519 --> 00:18:56,248.6446519 Exactly. 301 00:18:56,248.6446519 --> 00:18:57,688.6446519 It's an incredible differentiator. 302 00:18:58,18.6446519 --> 00:19:02,38.6446519 And, and people who run in tribes, right? Seth Gordon wrote that wonderful book Tribes. 303 00:19:02,98.6446519 --> 00:19:18,208.6446519 So the people who you know are into veganism are probably gonna like the other things that you do too, right? So, um, you can communicate with them around the things that you all affiliate with, that you all connect like, oh, um, you know, I also love the South of France. 304 00:19:18,208.6446519 --> 00:19:19,138.6446519 I also love. 305 00:19:19,718.6446519 --> 00:19:20,78.6446519 Yoga. 306 00:19:20,78.6446519 --> 00:19:22,358.6446519 Oh, I also love glass beads. 307 00:19:22,358.6446519 --> 00:19:26,288.6446519 So even if what you're doing is fairly straightforward, you can share these other passions. 308 00:19:26,738.6446519 --> 00:19:32,78.6446519 The other way to niche too, and I think this gets overlooked quite a bit, is not just demographically but psychographically. 309 00:19:32,478.6446519 --> 00:19:32,698.6446519 Yes. 310 00:19:33,518.6446519 --> 00:19:33,758.6446519 Right. 311 00:19:33,758.6446519 --> 00:19:40,298.6446519 Where are people struggling? So this, this question of, um, exactly what you're saying, like I've got a brilliant ideas all the time. 312 00:19:41,348.6446519 --> 00:19:41,678.6446519 Right. 313 00:19:42,218.6446519 --> 00:19:44,618.6446519 Um, that's one of the characteristics of a highly creative person. 314 00:19:44,828.6446519 --> 00:19:44,948.6446519 Yep. 315 00:19:45,158.6446519 --> 00:19:52,488.6446519 Um, I love nuance and subtlety and gray area, not into black and white thinking, not into orthodoxy. 316 00:19:52,728.6446519 --> 00:19:52,818.6446519 Mm-hmm. 317 00:19:53,358.6446519 --> 00:19:57,618.6446519 Which is awesome and means that we will overcomplicate a paper bag. 318 00:19:57,738.6446519 --> 00:19:58,308.6446519 Yes. 319 00:19:59,538.6446519 --> 00:20:00,708.6446519 There's not getting to overthink it. 320 00:20:00,768.6446519 --> 00:20:01,668.6446519 Oh, we'll overthink it. 321 00:20:01,818.6446519 --> 00:20:05,478.6446519 Uhhuh, um, you know, um, suspicious of anything that's too popular. 322 00:20:06,168.6446519 --> 00:20:06,228.6446519 Yeah. 323 00:20:06,228.6446519 --> 00:20:06,648.6446519 Right. 324 00:20:07,68.6446519 --> 00:20:07,278.6446519 Yep. 325 00:20:07,668.6446519 --> 00:20:10,698.6446519 The minute somebody says like, oh my God, you've gotta see this movie, you're like, oh, great. 326 00:20:10,728.6446519 --> 00:20:11,418.6446519 No, I'm never gonna see it. 327 00:20:11,958.6446519 --> 00:20:12,168.6446519 Yep. 328 00:20:14,988.6446519 --> 00:20:19,128.6446519 I can't count how many people are on my list, are like, oh, I've never seen Harry Potter because everybody told me how much I would love it. 329 00:20:19,278.6446519 --> 00:20:19,968.6446519 Exactly. 330 00:20:20,328.6446519 --> 00:20:21,528.6446519 Well, okay. 331 00:20:22,218.6446519 --> 00:20:27,228.6446519 Um, and again, that's sup, you know, it's, you're right to be suspicious of, of trends and things that are too popular. 332 00:20:27,228.6446519 --> 00:20:30,698.6446519 On the other hand, sometimes we miss important trends because we're so busy going. 333 00:20:31,548.6446519 --> 00:20:33,918.6446519 I'm not jumping on that bandwagon against the green. 334 00:20:33,918.6446519 --> 00:20:34,188.6446519 Yeah. 335 00:20:34,398.6446519 --> 00:20:34,788.6446519 Right. 336 00:20:34,848.6446519 --> 00:20:47,928.6446519 Um, so these, these characteristics that, that make up the highly creative person, when I start weaving th those, that kind of language and those kind of stories into my marketing, I become like the whistle only dogs can hear. 337 00:20:47,928.6446519 --> 00:20:49,308.6446519 And all of a sudden the people who are. 338 00:20:50,343.6446519 --> 00:20:54,3.6446519 Enemy are like, like, wait, she's talking to me. 339 00:20:54,243.6446519 --> 00:20:54,423.6446519 Sorry. 340 00:20:54,693.6446519 --> 00:20:56,163.6446519 That's how I felt when you were just saying that. 341 00:20:56,163.6446519 --> 00:20:56,673.6446519 I was like, that. 342 00:20:56,673.6446519 --> 00:20:57,63.6446519 That's me. 343 00:20:57,63.6446519 --> 00:20:57,783.6446519 That's, that's me. 344 00:20:57,788.6446519 --> 00:21:03,363.6446519 So I know the person that's listening to this right now is in their car or working out like, oh my gosh, she's talking to me right now. 345 00:21:03,533.6446519 --> 00:21:03,823.6446519 Yeah. 346 00:21:03,828.6446519 --> 00:21:04,263.6446519 Yeah. 347 00:21:04,263.6446519 --> 00:21:10,383.6446519 I got a call from a friend of mine a while ago who, um, was driving cross country and he was listening to the book, um, I think her name was Dr. 348 00:21:10,383.6446519 --> 00:21:16,983.6446519 Elaine Aaron, about highly sensitive people, and somehow he had not heard of this book or this, this mm-hmm. 349 00:21:17,68.6446519 --> 00:21:18,993.6446519 This thing that this existed of a highly sensitive person. 350 00:21:18,993.6446519 --> 00:21:22,878.6446519 He was like, Where has this book been? It's like, I can't believe it. 351 00:21:22,878.6446519 --> 00:21:28,908.6446519 She's saying things like literally verbatim conversations I have had and I'm like, yeah, cuz you're a highly sensitive person. 352 00:21:29,358.6446519 --> 00:21:29,538.6446519 Yeah. 353 00:21:30,18.6446519 --> 00:21:32,238.6446519 And some highly creative people are also highly sensitive. 354 00:21:32,538.6446519 --> 00:21:37,248.6446519 They tend to be pretty high iq, high, high and high IQ people, but not all of them. 355 00:21:37,648.6446519 --> 00:21:37,868.6446519 And. 356 00:21:38,973.6446519 --> 00:21:50,613.6446519 Again, there hasn't been much to help identify them because we think of creative as artistic, but they're the person who's, you know, they're working the IT department and they're sitting in the back of their room with their arms crossed going, this is boring, you know? But they're the genius who can solve anything. 357 00:21:50,673.6446519 --> 00:21:53,583.6446519 You know, they're the third grade teacher who's doing incredible things. 358 00:21:54,63.6446519 --> 00:22:01,953.6446519 And I will say too, that one of the only biological markers I've found in my completely unscientific study of this, this is really just mostly anecdotal. 359 00:22:02,343.6446519 --> 00:22:04,983.6446519 I think we always knew that the right brain, left brain thing wasn't really a thing. 360 00:22:05,163.6446519 --> 00:22:05,253.6446519 Mm-hmm. 361 00:22:05,498.6446519 --> 00:22:07,293.6446519 Like it's an interesting construct, but it's not. 362 00:22:08,88.6446519 --> 00:22:08,838.6446519 It's not really a thing really. 363 00:22:08,838.6446519 --> 00:22:11,488.6446519 I've always thought that was such a thing, so please explain. 364 00:22:11,718.6446519 --> 00:22:13,528.6446519 Yeah, no, it's scientifically it's not. 365 00:22:14,43.6446519 --> 00:22:19,803.6446519 I mean, there are definitely different parts of the brain that are responsible for different things, but it's not quite so black and white as that. 366 00:22:19,803.6446519 --> 00:22:26,343.6446519 However, highly creative people tend to be more both brained and more both brained more of the time. 367 00:22:26,343.6446519 --> 00:22:34,563.6446519 So they make more connections between more things more of the time, which is how we're able to piece together unusual ideas and unusual ways. 368 00:22:34,983.6446519 --> 00:22:35,253.6446519 Yeah. 369 00:22:35,583.6446519 --> 00:22:41,883.6446519 Why we're able to do such innovative thinking, um, and why we have those great flashes of insight and intuition. 370 00:22:42,273.6446519 --> 00:22:47,253.6446519 That just sort of come to us and everybody else is like, how did you think of that? And you're like, um, I don't, I don't know. 371 00:22:47,253.6446519 --> 00:22:52,233.6446519 I just, and that's micro pattern recognition, you know? Who knows? Yeah. 372 00:22:52,233.6446519 --> 00:22:57,333.6446519 It's, it's, it's one of the things that's super fun to be a highly creative person, cuz your brain is kind of going all the time. 373 00:22:57,333.6446519 --> 00:22:59,433.6446519 On the other hand, your brain is going all the time. 374 00:22:59,438.6446519 --> 00:22:59,763.6446519 All the time. 375 00:23:00,473.6446519 --> 00:23:01,373.6446519 So exhausting. 376 00:23:02,353.6446519 --> 00:23:05,853.6446519 No, that's really good to hear because I've never really considered myself. 377 00:23:06,678.6446519 --> 00:23:10,128.6446519 An artist, even though I consider what I do in art form. 378 00:23:10,458.6446519 --> 00:23:10,578.6446519 Mm-hmm. 379 00:23:11,58.6446519 --> 00:23:14,328.6446519 And I definitely have a million ideas a minute. 380 00:23:15,228.6446519 --> 00:23:25,588.6446519 And I believe, and people will argue this all the time because I feel like, uh, there are a lot of creative purists out there, so they don't want to be mixed in with, you know, a certain whatever. 381 00:23:26,298.6446519 --> 00:23:27,798.6446519 I think everyone's creative, right. 382 00:23:27,798.6446519 --> 00:23:30,288.6446519 Cuz God created us to create, cuz we're made of his image. 383 00:23:30,593.6446519 --> 00:23:31,13.6446519 That's right. 384 00:23:31,103.6446519 --> 00:23:32,873.6446519 So everyone creates to a certain degree. 385 00:23:32,903.6446519 --> 00:23:44,813.6446519 Do you think, cuz you say a highly creative person, do you think there are levels to creativity? Because I know for me, as a, and that's why I call myself cle the visionary, because I'm always thinking like in the future I'm having a million ideas. 386 00:23:45,113.6446519 --> 00:23:48,523.6446519 And I know people that work with me, they're like, dude, I like working with you because. 387 00:23:49,983.6446519 --> 00:23:55,803.6446519 You have all the ideas and I like the, I get the thrill of like implementing, like I like putting the puzzle together. 388 00:23:56,73.6446519 --> 00:23:57,333.6446519 I'm not that great at that part. 389 00:23:57,338.6446519 --> 00:23:58,833.6446519 I'm like, I just think everything. 390 00:23:58,838.6446519 --> 00:24:01,713.6446519 I'm like, this is amazing and how you gonna do it? I'm like, I don't know. 391 00:24:03,183.6446519 --> 00:24:04,23.6446519 So yeah. 392 00:24:04,113.6446519 --> 00:24:07,388.6446519 What do you think? Is there a spectrum when it comes to that? Definitely. 393 00:24:07,388.6446519 --> 00:24:08,18.6446519 Definitely. 394 00:24:08,18.6446519 --> 00:24:11,678.6446519 And yes, like I said, I think everyone is, is creative in some way or fashion. 395 00:24:11,978.6446519 --> 00:24:26,258.6446519 I think we've done the word creative a real disservice because as you say, I think there are some people who are like, no, creativity is like this special little bubble that's just for some of us, right? And I think there's other people who feel like creative is something scary or weird or like, I don't wanna be like that. 396 00:24:26,258.6446519 --> 00:24:26,558.6446519 No, no. 397 00:24:26,558.6446519 --> 00:24:27,128.6446519 I'm not creative. 398 00:24:27,158.6446519 --> 00:24:27,818.6446519 No, no, no, no, no. 399 00:24:27,818.6446519 --> 00:24:28,808.6446519 Don't, don't say that. 400 00:24:28,813.6446519 --> 00:24:29,148.6446519 Mm-hmm. 401 00:24:29,228.6446519 --> 00:24:37,133.6446519 Um, And certainly, you know, there was a study not too long ago where CEOs were like, oh yes, the number one quality we wanna see and, um, and our team members is creativity. 402 00:24:37,343.6446519 --> 00:24:38,363.6446519 No, they don't. 403 00:24:38,873.6446519 --> 00:24:39,223.6446519 Right. 404 00:24:39,323.6446519 --> 00:24:45,653.6446519 If you really knew what you were saying right now, are you kidding anymore than they want in school? Like, oh yeah, we want everybody to be creative. 405 00:24:45,833.6446519 --> 00:24:46,523.6446519 No, you don't. 406 00:24:46,523.6446519 --> 00:24:47,983.6446519 You want them to sit in a row mm-hmm. 407 00:24:48,163.6446519 --> 00:24:51,593.6446519 And do the things that you ask them to do without talking back too much. 408 00:24:51,713.6446519 --> 00:24:51,893.6446519 Mm-hmm. 409 00:24:52,283.6446519 --> 00:24:53,963.6446519 You know, we're saying, why are we doing this again? Mm-hmm. 410 00:24:54,203.6446519 --> 00:24:54,783.6446519 What's the, mm-hmm. 411 00:24:54,958.6446519 --> 00:24:58,648.6446519 Can I get a greater context on this? Can I, you know, they don't want, that was me. 412 00:24:58,918.6446519 --> 00:24:59,258.6446519 Yeah, yeah. 413 00:24:59,368.6446519 --> 00:25:00,238.6446519 Oh, for sure. 414 00:25:00,238.6446519 --> 00:25:00,718.6446519 For sure. 415 00:25:00,718.6446519 --> 00:25:02,608.6446519 And like, I got in trouble all the time for not doing homework. 416 00:25:02,608.6446519 --> 00:25:03,299.6446519 Cause I was like, this is stupid. 417 00:25:03,304.6446519 --> 00:25:03,858.6446519 All the stupid. 418 00:25:04,528.6446519 --> 00:25:05,98.6446519 Yes. 419 00:25:05,158.6446519 --> 00:25:17,298.6446519 The stuff I was interested in, I, you know, I got in trouble, but I certainly got good sogging stew about like, well, Samantha, of course you got good grades and English and drama, but you know, what about French? What about, what about, you know? Mm-hmm. 420 00:25:17,698.6446519 --> 00:25:25,413.6446519 What about, what about calculus? And I'm like, and now here I am later like, Gosh, I've made a lifelong career out of English and drama. 421 00:25:25,533.6446519 --> 00:25:25,833.6446519 Yeah. 422 00:25:25,923.6446519 --> 00:25:27,723.6446519 French and calculus haven't come up so much. 423 00:25:27,813.6446519 --> 00:25:28,203.6446519 Right, exactly. 424 00:25:28,513.6446519 --> 00:25:31,173.6446519 I was never, I was never gonna be good at French and calculus. 425 00:25:31,203.6446519 --> 00:25:34,53.6446519 It wasn't a lack of applying myself, it wasn't a lack of intelligence. 426 00:25:34,263.6446519 --> 00:25:36,183.6446519 It just, my brain doesn't do that. 427 00:25:36,183.6446519 --> 00:25:37,203.6446519 It doesn't go that way. 428 00:25:37,473.6446519 --> 00:25:37,563.6446519 Mm-hmm. 429 00:25:37,803.6446519 --> 00:25:41,43.6446519 And I don't know why there's this emphasis on, like, it only counts as it if it's hard. 430 00:25:41,163.6446519 --> 00:25:42,713.6446519 Right, right, right. 431 00:25:42,718.6446519 --> 00:25:54,693.6446519 And this is circling back to something you were saying earlier about how people feel like, oh, well if it's my spiritual gifts or it's something that I just do naturally, is that okay to charge for it? Oh honey, you get to charge 10 times more than everybody else. 432 00:25:54,723.6446519 --> 00:25:55,413.6446519 Exactly. 433 00:25:55,413.6446519 --> 00:25:55,473.6446519 Yeah. 434 00:25:55,803.6446519 --> 00:26:00,603.6446519 Because you have this aptitude because you can work so much faster cuz you see things other people don't see. 435 00:26:00,783.6446519 --> 00:26:09,938.6446519 I mean, who do you want as a doctor? The one who really had to grind and study hard and think about thing, or the person who's just naturally gifted as a healer, don't gimme the naturally gifted healer. 436 00:26:10,398.6446519 --> 00:26:10,818.6446519 Mm-hmm. 437 00:26:11,368.6446519 --> 00:26:11,658.6446519 Nope. 438 00:26:11,658.6446519 --> 00:26:11,978.6446519 Mm-hmm. 439 00:26:12,178.6446519 --> 00:26:14,88.6446519 I don't want you having to work hard on me. 440 00:26:14,118.6446519 --> 00:26:14,568.6446519 No. 441 00:26:14,638.6446519 --> 00:26:14,858.6446519 Mm. 442 00:26:15,378.6446519 --> 00:26:20,658.6446519 Don't have to go consult the textbooks, like just me. 443 00:26:20,718.6446519 --> 00:26:21,298.6446519 That's funny. 444 00:26:21,898.6446519 --> 00:26:28,518.6446519 I, I think you kind of talked about this a little, but I do wanna lean in a little bit because I know when they hear it, they'll be like, oh, this makes sense. 445 00:26:28,518.6446519 --> 00:26:31,488.6446519 But when it comes to real life, it things get kind of cloudy again, so. 446 00:26:32,613.6446519 --> 00:26:35,403.6446519 Someone can have great ideas, right? And they're like, oh, this idea's great. 447 00:26:36,33.6446519 --> 00:26:43,83.6446519 But sometimes you get the ideas that you're, you know, this is gonna take some time to, to manifest. 448 00:26:43,83.6446519 --> 00:26:48,993.6446519 Right? This is not a i, I do it and it happens like this is gonna have like, let's say like growing a audience or something like that, right? I have this idea. 449 00:26:49,533.6446519 --> 00:26:51,403.6446519 Or a playwright, right? A musical. 450 00:26:51,483.6446519 --> 00:26:52,683.6446519 I know you've done a musical. 451 00:26:53,133.6446519 --> 00:26:53,433.6446519 Yeah. 452 00:26:53,493.6446519 --> 00:26:55,113.6446519 Those things take time to put together. 453 00:26:56,298.6446519 --> 00:27:03,528.6446519 How should a creative person manage their focus while they're in the building process? Because life's still happening every day. 454 00:27:04,398.6446519 --> 00:27:05,118.6446519 So true. 455 00:27:06,78.6446519 --> 00:27:08,568.6446519 Um, so I had a couple of answers for you. 456 00:27:08,658.6446519 --> 00:27:17,358.6446519 The one is the thing that I say all the time, if you're with me for more than five minutes, you're probably gonna hear me say this 15 minutes a day, every single day. 457 00:27:18,238.6446519 --> 00:27:27,33.6446519 Before you check your email, before you check your, before you check your email, 10, 15 minutes on whatever that project is, that's important to you. 458 00:27:27,423.6446519 --> 00:27:32,523.6446519 Okay? And that way you are making steady incremental progress. 459 00:27:33,93.6446519 --> 00:27:35,778.6446519 Um, You know, and just follow the sparkly breadcrumbs. 460 00:27:35,808.6446519 --> 00:27:36,348.6446519 You know how it is. 461 00:27:36,348.6446519 --> 00:27:43,518.6446519 Sometimes you take these little tiny steps and it's like the world comes rushing at you, the uni, you know, like all of a sudden just God answers every prayer. 462 00:27:43,518.6446519 --> 00:27:45,18.6446519 Like, wow, that was easy. 463 00:27:45,348.6446519 --> 00:27:48,798.6446519 You know, other times you start, it's like a lot of knee and elbows. 464 00:27:48,798.6446519 --> 00:27:52,69.6446519 It's not really going right and you know, it's like, you're like, okay, well maybe now's not the right time. 465 00:27:52,74.6446519 --> 00:27:57,258.6446519 So like, start, follow the sparkly breadcrumbs, follow the energetic pull of the thing. 466 00:27:58,8.6446519 --> 00:28:06,258.6446519 And, and see where it leads you and make sure that you are enjoying the process of the work and the person you are becoming as you do the work. 467 00:28:06,588.6446519 --> 00:28:07,188.6446519 Yes. 468 00:28:07,548.6446519 --> 00:28:08,238.6446519 Right? Yeah. 469 00:28:08,388.6446519 --> 00:28:13,788.6446519 I wrote a thing years ago called, um, why, why a Career in the Arts is like fishing for Trout and. 470 00:28:14,733.6446519 --> 00:28:25,953.6446519 It says, you know, cuz it kind of doesn't matter what equipment you have or how long you've been doing it, you know, every year there's some nine year old who comes up into these trout fishing things and like wins the whole, you're like, what? You know, they're holding this giant fish. 471 00:28:25,953.6446519 --> 00:28:33,844.6446519 They're like, how did they do that? Um, I remember we took my nephew fishing one time, he'd been watching these fishing shows on TV and he really, really, really, really, really wanted to go fishing. 472 00:28:34,173.6446519 --> 00:28:35,403.6446519 He was maybe six or seven. 473 00:28:36,93.6446519 --> 00:28:41,133.6446519 And so we got the bowls and the things and went out to the lake, uh, near where I lived and. 474 00:28:41,973.6446519 --> 00:28:52,353.6446519 We're probably about 25, 35 minutes into it and he come stomping off the pier and he goes, this isn't fishing, this is waiting. 475 00:28:56,43.6446519 --> 00:28:56,613.6446519 You're not wrong. 476 00:28:56,673.6446519 --> 00:28:57,453.6446519 You're not wrong. 477 00:28:57,663.6446519 --> 00:28:58,153.6446519 Exactly. 478 00:28:58,743.6446519 --> 00:28:59,133.6446519 Not wrong. 479 00:28:59,133.6446519 --> 00:29:05,553.6446519 And yeah, so you, the point, the thing about fishing is you have to enjoy the process of fishing. 480 00:29:05,913.6446519 --> 00:29:06,213.6446519 Yes. 481 00:29:06,543.6446519 --> 00:29:08,883.6446519 You have to love standing there in all kinds of weather. 482 00:29:09,573.6446519 --> 00:29:09,723.6446519 Yep. 483 00:29:10,23.6446519 --> 00:29:10,713.6446519 Fishing for trout. 484 00:29:10,833.6446519 --> 00:29:12,333.6446519 And sometimes you get a trout and sometimes you don't. 485 00:29:12,603.6446519 --> 00:29:16,353.6446519 Same thing with the projects and, and, and the ideas that you have. 486 00:29:16,923.6446519 --> 00:29:25,353.6446519 Like you, you have to, yeah, you have to be a little in love with the idea and you have to be in love with the process and who you become as a result of that. 487 00:29:25,893.6446519 --> 00:29:29,193.6446519 And again, as a highly creative person, you're gonna have a ton, ton of ideas. 488 00:29:29,193.6446519 --> 00:29:30,513.6446519 And you should be tracking all of those. 489 00:29:30,513.6446519 --> 00:29:32,723.6446519 You should be capturing them, right? Mm-hmm. 490 00:29:33,93.6446519 --> 00:29:35,613.6446519 Um, and someplace where you can retrieve them. 491 00:29:36,348.6446519 --> 00:29:39,78.6446519 Stop writing them in journals that you're never gonna look at again. 492 00:29:39,138.6446519 --> 00:29:40,98.6446519 That's not helpful. 493 00:29:40,498.6446519 --> 00:29:40,788.6446519 Yeah. 494 00:29:40,968.6446519 --> 00:29:45,978.6446519 Put them, you know, online, put them in a, I like index cards, you know, however you wanna do it. 495 00:29:46,398.6446519 --> 00:29:51,78.6446519 Voice memos, something you can name and tag and retrieve from when you need it. 496 00:29:51,498.6446519 --> 00:29:59,88.6446519 And sometimes, you know, I mean, several times I started writing screenplays, I got about a third of the way through and I was like, Hmm, no. 497 00:29:59,988.6446519 --> 00:30:00,228.6446519 Yep. 498 00:30:00,438.6446519 --> 00:30:00,528.6446519 Mm-hmm. 499 00:30:01,158.6446519 --> 00:30:02,718.6446519 Like, this isn't it, this isn't doing it for me. 500 00:30:02,898.6446519 --> 00:30:04,188.6446519 I've learned what I needed to learn. 501 00:30:04,848.6446519 --> 00:30:06,918.6446519 Doing this mostly is that I don't like writing screenplays. 502 00:30:07,218.6446519 --> 00:30:14,328.6446519 Like it's okay to, you know, stop things if they're not working, you know, you can be done. 503 00:30:14,388.6446519 --> 00:30:15,948.6446519 You don't have to finish everything that's on your plate. 504 00:30:15,948.6446519 --> 00:30:16,368.6446519 This isn't. 505 00:30:17,118.6446519 --> 00:30:19,978.6446519 You're not depriving children in Africa if you Exactly. 506 00:30:20,78.6446519 --> 00:30:21,438.6446519 You don't finish broccoli on your plate. 507 00:30:21,438.6446519 --> 00:30:21,948.6446519 It's ok. 508 00:30:22,278.6446519 --> 00:30:29,898.6446519 And it helps clear your brain space too, because the fact that you did it and you went for it, like say for me, like, I was like, oh, I need to do YouTube. 509 00:30:29,898.6446519 --> 00:30:30,18.6446519 Right. 510 00:30:30,18.6446519 --> 00:30:34,788.6446519 Because you're seeing all these podcasts on YouTube and I tried to be a YouTuber for like a summer. 511 00:30:34,793.6446519 --> 00:30:35,178.6446519 Mm-hmm. 512 00:30:35,438.6446519 --> 00:30:43,548.6446519 And I was like, the video thing isn't, that's not really, like, I don't get the same type of whatever that I get from Theater of the mind with audio. 513 00:30:43,548.6446519 --> 00:30:44,688.6446519 I just don't, you know? Right. 514 00:30:44,693.6446519 --> 00:30:48,678.6446519 So, uh, I was like, At some point I'll hire a YouTube guy. 515 00:30:49,728.6446519 --> 00:30:50,218.6446519 Exactly. 516 00:30:50,598.6446519 --> 00:30:51,168.6446519 Exactly. 517 00:30:51,168.6446519 --> 00:30:56,928.6446519 And that's another great way to, you know, when there isn't a right way, you know, there is no right way to be an entrepreneur. 518 00:30:56,928.6446519 --> 00:30:58,548.6446519 There's no right way to have a podcast. 519 00:30:58,548.6446519 --> 00:31:00,528.6446519 There's no right way to be an artist. 520 00:31:00,528.6446519 --> 00:31:02,658.6446519 There's no right way to be a parent or a friend. 521 00:31:02,663.6446519 --> 00:31:02,858.6446519 Mm-hmm. 522 00:31:03,228.6446519 --> 00:31:03,938.6446519 There's just your way. 523 00:31:04,843.6446519 --> 00:31:21,38.6446519 So you've gotta lean into what your way is and do the things that you are naturally good at that you, that you kind of like, um, you know, whenever people are resistant to marketing, marketing is storytelling, right? So I'm like, well, what, you know, how do you wanna interact with your people? Mm-hmm. 524 00:31:21,468.6446519 --> 00:31:28,548.6446519 Like, do you wanna do magic tricks for them? Do you wanna dance with them? Do you wanna, do you wanna whip them? Danielle LaPorte used to have a thing called a daily whip. 525 00:31:28,578.6446519 --> 00:31:30,838.6446519 Like, you know, she, she'll whip you. 526 00:31:31,18.6446519 --> 00:31:38,638.6446519 You know, like, do you wanna joke with them? Do you wanna, do you wanna preach to them? Like, what is another verb that you like? Yeah. 527 00:31:39,633.6446519 --> 00:31:42,723.6446519 That you can train, you know enough, I think like, oh, I would love to waltz with them. 528 00:31:43,23.6446519 --> 00:31:43,173.6446519 Mm-hmm. 529 00:31:43,833.6446519 --> 00:31:49,653.6446519 Well, that brings to mind a whole rhythm and a way of speaking and a way of being and a certain formality. 530 00:31:49,743.6446519 --> 00:31:51,243.6446519 You know, like there's a whole world there. 531 00:31:51,248.6446519 --> 00:31:51,603.6446519 Right. 532 00:31:52,143.6446519 --> 00:32:02,433.6446519 I will also say, and this may seem a little random, but it's on my mind to say it, make sure you are doing something at least on a fairly regular basis, that you're kind of terrible at. 533 00:32:03,138.6446519 --> 00:32:03,588.6446519 Hmm. 534 00:32:03,608.6446519 --> 00:32:03,898.6446519 Okay. 535 00:32:03,903.6446519 --> 00:32:07,578.6446519 Like, crumble yourself, you know? Um, for a long time I did CrossFit. 536 00:32:07,608.6446519 --> 00:32:09,678.6446519 I did, you know, like really hard workouts. 537 00:32:10,188.6446519 --> 00:32:11,628.6446519 Um, and I was terrible. 538 00:32:11,628.6446519 --> 00:32:12,228.6446519 I'm doing burpees. 539 00:32:12,233.6446519 --> 00:32:13,818.6446519 I looked like a drunken panda getting up and going. 540 00:32:15,798.6446519 --> 00:32:17,628.6446519 I'm 20 years older than everybody else in the room. 541 00:32:17,868.6446519 --> 00:32:21,98.6446519 Like it's, you know, but it turned, I was kind of good at lifting heavy things. 542 00:32:21,648.6446519 --> 00:32:22,639.6446519 The rest of it, I was terrible at. 543 00:32:23,613.6446519 --> 00:32:24,723.6446519 They're like, go run a mile. 544 00:32:24,723.6446519 --> 00:32:26,493.6446519 I'm like, I've got big boobs, girls with big boobs. 545 00:32:26,493.6446519 --> 00:32:28,213.6446519 Don't run, run. 546 00:32:28,923.6446519 --> 00:32:31,233.6446519 I'll walk speedily. 547 00:32:31,238.6446519 --> 00:32:33,873.6446519 How about the, and it was humbling. 548 00:32:33,873.6446519 --> 00:32:47,133.6446519 And I was, they're sweating and crying and spitting and, but as a leader and as a C e O and as a public person, it was really important for me to come up against that wall. 549 00:32:47,133.6446519 --> 00:32:47,613.6446519 Mm-hmm. 550 00:32:47,619.6446519 --> 00:32:48,173.6446519 Twice a week. 551 00:32:48,898.6446519 --> 00:32:51,58.6446519 And be like, wow, I'm really terrible at this. 552 00:32:51,63.6446519 --> 00:32:51,338.6446519 Yeah. 553 00:32:51,478.6446519 --> 00:32:58,898.6446519 And I get to sit in the humility of being terrible at it, and I get to sit in the fear of, I don't know if I can do this and remember that this is how my clients feel. 554 00:32:59,358.6446519 --> 00:32:59,778.6446519 Mm-hmm. 555 00:33:00,128.6446519 --> 00:33:02,368.6446519 They don't feel about it, about this. 556 00:33:02,853.6446519 --> 00:33:06,543.6446519 Yeah, that's how they feel about their lives or about other things, whatever. 557 00:33:06,543.6446519 --> 00:33:06,843.6446519 Yeah. 558 00:33:07,93.6446519 --> 00:33:11,283.6446519 So whatever it is that makes you feel like, hmm, I'm not very good at this. 559 00:33:11,373.6446519 --> 00:33:19,353.6446519 Like, do do that, you know, take singing lessons or just go somewhere where you can write size yourself, you know? Yeah. 560 00:33:19,413.6446519 --> 00:33:21,913.6446519 That's, that's everything you said, um, is amazing. 561 00:33:22,803.6446519 --> 00:33:28,473.6446519 I definitely, the 15 minutes a day, um, and you have a whole book out about this, get it done. 562 00:33:28,478.6446519 --> 00:33:30,393.6446519 I'd encourage people, I'll link it in the show notes. 563 00:33:30,573.6446519 --> 00:33:36,693.6446519 Um, That is something Now, I didn't call it 15 minutes a day, but it's something I encourage for sure. 564 00:33:36,693.6446519 --> 00:33:38,643.6446519 And I call it the Hollywood Method. 565 00:33:38,643.6446519 --> 00:33:38,973.6446519 Right. 566 00:33:39,453.6446519 --> 00:33:43,203.6446519 Look, I've turned my life into almost like a television show or a movie. 567 00:33:43,323.6446519 --> 00:33:43,413.6446519 Mm-hmm. 568 00:33:43,653.6446519 --> 00:33:45,3.6446519 And every single day is an episode. 569 00:33:45,303.6446519 --> 00:33:45,723.6446519 Mm-hmm. 570 00:33:47,418.6446519 --> 00:33:50,778.6446519 Like you see on Netflix, right? There's a summary, there's an objective for that episode. 571 00:33:50,778.6446519 --> 00:33:53,148.6446519 What am I accomplishing just today? Right? Yeah. 572 00:33:53,148.6446519 --> 00:33:55,68.6446519 That's all I'm focusing on now. 573 00:33:55,338.6446519 --> 00:34:01,98.6446519 Of course, you gotta have the vision process so you know where you're headed, right? And that's what I really lean into with the whole visionary thing. 574 00:34:01,98.6446519 --> 00:34:06,158.6446519 But where are you heading and what are you gonna do today? It doesn't have to be for very long, right. 575 00:34:06,378.6446519 --> 00:34:09,108.6446519 You know, to help you get toward that goal. 576 00:34:09,468.6446519 --> 00:34:14,148.6446519 And it's the, actually the consistency over a long period of time accumulated. 577 00:34:14,553.6446519 --> 00:34:20,643.6446519 Is way more effective than the tenacity over a short period of time, over and over again. 578 00:34:20,823.6446519 --> 00:34:25,263.6446519 And each time you become less confident in yourself because you broke the last promise. 579 00:34:25,503.6446519 --> 00:34:25,713.6446519 Right. 580 00:34:25,713.6446519 --> 00:34:26,643.6446519 That's made, you know. 581 00:34:26,733.6446519 --> 00:34:27,543.6446519 That's exactly right. 582 00:34:27,753.6446519 --> 00:34:29,203.6446519 So yeah, I love that concept. 583 00:34:29,673.6446519 --> 00:34:30,34.6446519 I really do. 584 00:34:30,273.6446519 --> 00:34:30,333.6446519 I. 585 00:34:30,708.6446519 --> 00:34:31,8.6446519 Yeah. 586 00:34:31,8.6446519 --> 00:34:31,638.6446519 No, it's true. 587 00:34:31,638.6446519 --> 00:34:35,58.6446519 We build respect and esteem with other people by keeping our promises to them. 588 00:34:35,58.6446519 --> 00:34:38,298.6446519 We build self-respect and self-esteem by keeping our promises to ourselves. 589 00:34:38,328.6446519 --> 00:34:38,418.6446519 Mm-hmm. 590 00:34:38,928.6446519 --> 00:34:40,8.6446519 So lower the bar. 591 00:34:40,8.6446519 --> 00:34:41,598.6446519 Make it super easy for yourself. 592 00:34:41,598.6446519 --> 00:34:43,548.6446519 Like I said, 15 minutes a day, five minutes a day. 593 00:34:43,938.6446519 --> 00:34:44,178.6446519 Yeah. 594 00:34:44,178.6446519 --> 00:34:48,448.6446519 I mean, when I was an actor, that was my deal with myself, is I had to do something every single day for an acting career. 595 00:34:48,708.6446519 --> 00:34:48,998.6446519 Yeah. 596 00:34:49,138.6446519 --> 00:34:52,308.6446519 And sometimes it was go on set and tape a sitcom. 597 00:34:52,848.6446519 --> 00:34:57,348.6446519 Other times it was call my agent, learn a new monologue, go to acting class. 598 00:34:57,408.6446519 --> 00:34:57,588.6446519 Yep. 599 00:34:57,993.6446519 --> 00:34:59,373.6446519 Do my vocal exercises. 600 00:34:59,373.6446519 --> 00:35:02,643.6446519 Like it could be something really little, but it had to be something. 601 00:35:03,123.6446519 --> 00:35:07,683.6446519 The other nice thing about 15 minutes, especially for how the creative people is, it does give us an end point too. 602 00:35:08,233.6446519 --> 00:35:14,583.6446519 Yeah, Uhhuh, you know, because we do, we have big lives, we've got a lot of other stuff going on, and we have this feeling of like, oh, I wanna write all day. 603 00:35:14,583.6446519 --> 00:35:16,593.6446519 I wanna do this all, you know, I need six months. 604 00:35:16,593.6446519 --> 00:35:17,133.6446519 I need all this time. 605 00:35:17,133.6446519 --> 00:35:20,373.6446519 It's like, well, I would love to have a villains for six months too. 606 00:35:20,673.6446519 --> 00:35:22,713.6446519 Right? But that's not happening today. 607 00:35:23,13.6446519 --> 00:35:25,743.6446519 So, you know, at least let's do this. 608 00:35:25,743.6446519 --> 00:35:36,78.6446519 And you can see, you know, if you played guitar for 15 minutes a day, every day for a week or a month, or a year, or six years or 60 years, Not very long of a time, you would be a much better guitar player. 609 00:35:36,348.6446519 --> 00:35:37,128.6446519 Yes, absolutely. 610 00:35:37,128.6446519 --> 00:35:43,878.6446519 You know, you write for 15 minutes a day, you can write between 200 and 250 words a day in less than a year. 611 00:35:43,878.6446519 --> 00:35:45,768.6446519 You could have a 50,000 year word book. 612 00:35:46,68.6446519 --> 00:35:46,878.6446519 Yeah, you could. 613 00:35:47,238.6446519 --> 00:35:47,718.6446519 Exactly. 614 00:35:47,723.6446519 --> 00:35:55,488.6446519 I think we underestimate, of course you've heard the quote like we overestimate, I think it was Tony Robbins overestimate what you could do in a year, but underestimate, estimate what you could do in 10 years. 615 00:35:55,638.6446519 --> 00:35:55,928.6446519 Yeah. 616 00:35:56,268.6446519 --> 00:35:59,958.6446519 And um, I think I'm gonna do episode, this is a little like, uh, foreshadowing. 617 00:35:59,958.6446519 --> 00:36:00,78.6446519 I. 618 00:36:00,348.6446519 --> 00:36:11,688.6446519 I wrote down this concept like last week and it was called How much can you accomplish if you did the bare maximum? Basically you doing maximum quality with, with minimum quantity. 619 00:36:12,198.6446519 --> 00:36:13,578.6446519 And we kind of flip that Usually Tom. 620 00:36:13,583.6446519 --> 00:36:16,698.6446519 We do like poor quality, but we do like a lot. 621 00:36:16,908.6446519 --> 00:36:17,418.6446519 Good luck. 622 00:36:17,538.6446519 --> 00:36:18,968.6446519 Have it, you know? Yeah, yeah. 623 00:36:19,728.6446519 --> 00:36:30,208.6446519 I talk sometimes about when people say like, where do I focus? Where do I start? Um, I ask, well, what are your highest income producing activities and what are your highest joy producing activities? Okay. 624 00:36:30,628.6446519 --> 00:36:32,38.6446519 And I would focus on those two things. 625 00:36:32,248.6446519 --> 00:36:37,828.6446519 And if you're looking at great time in your life, find the things that are your lowest, lowest income producing activities and your lowest joy producing activities. 626 00:36:37,828.6446519 --> 00:36:39,88.6446519 And cross those off the list. 627 00:36:39,448.6446519 --> 00:36:39,688.6446519 Right. 628 00:36:40,78.6446519 --> 00:36:49,318.6446519 And I was gonna ask kind of with you, we talked about layering, right? Do you say, cuz I, I see what you're doing with, you know, teaching, coaching, uh, writing. 629 00:36:50,603.6446519 --> 00:36:56,778.6446519 Those are income producing activities for you and you have layered all those other things that make you you into that. 630 00:36:56,778.6446519 --> 00:37:07,958.6446519 Do you prescribe leading with that income generating activity and then having the other ones kind of, or the other way around? You know, some people do it flipped. 631 00:37:08,628.6446519 --> 00:37:09,718.6446519 Yeah, I have to. 632 00:37:10,903.6446519 --> 00:37:12,138.6446519 Start with prayer. 633 00:37:13,98.6446519 --> 00:37:13,278.6446519 Mm-hmm. 634 00:37:13,728.6446519 --> 00:37:14,598.6446519 I'm gonna lead with anything. 635 00:37:14,598.6446519 --> 00:37:16,818.6446519 I'm gonna lead with morning prayer and meditation. 636 00:37:17,268.6446519 --> 00:37:19,878.6446519 That's, that's the part of it that's kind of non-negotiable for me. 637 00:37:20,358.6446519 --> 00:37:24,228.6446519 Um, and I find when I don't do that, things go off the rails really fast. 638 00:37:24,708.6446519 --> 00:37:31,398.6446519 Um, and part of that too is engaging in the mystery of it, right? Because we don't always know what our highest income-producing activities are. 639 00:37:31,488.6446519 --> 00:37:39,708.6446519 I said, I said next to a guy in the airplane the other day who half an hour into the conversation he was like, oh my God, I have to hire you to come in and train my sales team. 640 00:37:39,708.6446519 --> 00:37:40,68.6446519 I'm like, I. 641 00:37:41,163.6446519 --> 00:37:41,523.6446519 Awesome. 642 00:37:41,873.6446519 --> 00:37:42,163.6446519 Okay. 643 00:37:42,633.6446519 --> 00:37:42,923.6446519 Okay. 644 00:37:43,273.6446519 --> 00:37:43,563.6446519 Yeah. 645 00:37:43,683.6446519 --> 00:37:44,193.6446519 Good, good. 646 00:37:44,193.6446519 --> 00:37:44,523.6446519 Talk. 647 00:37:44,913.6446519 --> 00:37:55,143.6446519 Like, uh, you know, so it turned out sitting in, you know, seat one A and having a conversation with the guy in seat one B was the, was the high income producing activity. 648 00:37:55,293.6446519 --> 00:37:57,993.6446519 But yeah, I mean, money is important. 649 00:37:57,993.6446519 --> 00:38:00,303.6446519 I mean, money's not the only thing, but it's not nothing either. 650 00:38:00,753.6446519 --> 00:38:04,788.6446519 And, It gives you a lot of choices and a lot of freedom. 651 00:38:04,848.6446519 --> 00:38:13,128.6446519 And I spent a long time being super, super broke and really proud of how broke I was and how good I was at being broke. 652 00:38:13,578.6446519 --> 00:38:15,948.6446519 I can do things with beans, some rice that you have no idea. 653 00:38:16,278.6446519 --> 00:38:21,468.6446519 I can make a nickel look a lot like a dollar, like it's, you know, I was good at it and I was proud of it. 654 00:38:21,473.6446519 --> 00:38:26,448.6446519 And like I said, there's the, this sort of martyrdom and this kind of poverty consciousness around all this. 655 00:38:26,448.6446519 --> 00:38:32,178.6446519 Right? And finally I realized like, There's no shortage of money in the world. 656 00:38:33,228.6446519 --> 00:38:33,768.6446519 Exactly. 657 00:38:34,128.6446519 --> 00:38:36,168.6446519 There is an infinite amount of money in the world. 658 00:38:36,708.6446519 --> 00:38:42,588.6446519 There's an infinite number of ideal clients, and I have an infinite number of ideas and, and creative ways to help people. 659 00:38:42,588.6446519 --> 00:38:44,688.6446519 So when abundance meets abundance mm-hmm. 660 00:38:45,168.6446519 --> 00:38:48,228.6446519 There's no lack, there's no competition, there's no scarcity anywhere. 661 00:38:48,228.6446519 --> 00:38:51,498.6446519 And if you would like to have more money, you are going to have to focus on the money. 662 00:38:51,768.6446519 --> 00:38:51,888.6446519 Yeah. 663 00:38:51,918.6446519 --> 00:38:52,188.6446519 Right. 664 00:38:52,188.6446519 --> 00:38:58,38.6446519 I have this, um, planner that I created and, uh, for every day it's got what we call could do list. 665 00:38:58,503.6446519 --> 00:39:01,113.6446519 Because two do is too much pressure, but could do, could do these things. 666 00:39:01,533.6446519 --> 00:39:09,243.6446519 Um, and then it's says, you know, what's the thing? And then how much time do you think it's gonna take and how much money is involved either going in or coming out. 667 00:39:09,783.6446519 --> 00:39:12,943.6446519 And then on a scale of one to 10, how much do you feel like doing it? Mm-hmm. 668 00:39:13,293.6446519 --> 00:39:21,663.6446519 How much, what's your inclination? How much do you want to, and it's cuz it's just so easy to be like, oh, okay, I gotta invoice so-and-so for, you know, $500. 669 00:39:21,693.6446519 --> 00:39:23,163.6446519 Oh God, invoicing such a drag. 670 00:39:23,163.6446519 --> 00:39:23,673.6446519 I'll do it tomorrow. 671 00:39:23,673.6446519 --> 00:39:25,503.6446519 It's like, no, it's $500. 672 00:39:25,503.6446519 --> 00:39:26,223.6446519 Let's do that today. 673 00:39:26,823.6446519 --> 00:39:27,603.6446519 Let's do that first. 674 00:39:27,608.6446519 --> 00:39:27,963.6446519 Let's do it. 675 00:39:28,323.6446519 --> 00:39:31,623.6446519 Come on, let yeah. 676 00:39:32,283.6446519 --> 00:39:32,663.6446519 Pay attention. 677 00:39:33,568.6446519 --> 00:39:52,259.6446519 I want as we come to a close, I want to ask this question that I've just started recently asking, if you were 21 with no money, no name recognition, no network, how would you build your vision from the ground up step by step? Well, I mean that, I did do that at, at 21, and then I did it again at 30 when I moved to Los Angeles. 678 00:39:52,298.6446519 --> 00:39:54,958.6446519 And I did it again at 42 when I started my business. 679 00:39:55,48.6446519 --> 00:40:02,878.6446519 Um, and I think the, the number one thing that's always been most important is to get into community. 680 00:40:03,498.6446519 --> 00:40:08,628.6446519 Get around other people who are doing what you wanna do, who are better at what you want, wanna do than you are. 681 00:40:08,688.6446519 --> 00:40:10,248.6446519 Play tennis with better tennis players. 682 00:40:11,28.6446519 --> 00:40:16,8.6446519 I am very shy and very introverted despite the way I appear. 683 00:40:16,428.6446519 --> 00:40:19,758.6446519 And, um, and I would not describe myself as much of a joiner. 684 00:40:19,763.6446519 --> 00:40:22,249.6446519 However, everything comes to us through other people. 685 00:40:23,143.6446519 --> 00:40:23,383.6446519 Mm-hmm. 686 00:40:23,703.6446519 --> 00:40:25,23.6446519 God comes to us through other people. 687 00:40:25,23.6446519 --> 00:40:26,613.6446519 Love comes to us, through other people. 688 00:40:26,613.6446519 --> 00:40:31,713.6446519 Money comes to us, through other people, you know, so I took non-paying jobs at production companies. 689 00:40:31,713.6446519 --> 00:40:34,713.6446519 I, you know, volunteered at a theater. 690 00:40:34,833.6446519 --> 00:40:36,843.6446519 I worked for years at a theater company in la. 691 00:40:37,263.6446519 --> 00:40:41,793.6446519 Even when I had day gigs, I, I tried to work in production, work in casting, like being around the business. 692 00:40:41,793.6446519 --> 00:40:47,433.6446519 I wanted to be in making friends with the people because, you know, especially in Hollywood, but really anywhere if you're gonna be stuck all day. 693 00:40:48,253.6446519 --> 00:40:55,123.6446519 You know, in a small trailer in the middle of the Mojave, it's 900 degrees out, like niceness counts. 694 00:40:55,123.6446519 --> 00:40:58,723.6446519 You know, you wanna be around the people that you like and you trust and you know, you can have a pretty good time with. 695 00:40:59,203.6446519 --> 00:40:59,713.6446519 Um, so. 696 00:41:00,753.6446519 --> 00:41:02,613.6446519 And I know people complain, like people just hire their friends. 697 00:41:02,643.6446519 --> 00:41:03,513.6446519 Of course they do. 698 00:41:03,513.6446519 --> 00:41:06,33.6446519 And when you're in a position of power, you also will hire your friends. 699 00:41:06,393.6446519 --> 00:41:06,483.6446519 Mm-hmm. 700 00:41:07,233.6446519 --> 00:41:07,983.6446519 So that was it. 701 00:41:07,983.6446519 --> 00:41:20,973.6446519 Finding a, you know, finding a church, finding a, a, a community, finding a place to, you know, class, finding a, a group, groups of people that shared my values and loved me and cared for me. 702 00:41:21,413.6446519 --> 00:41:25,553.6446519 Being in the arts and being an entrepreneur can be a lonely, lonely, lonely business. 703 00:41:25,823.6446519 --> 00:41:26,363.6446519 Absolutely. 704 00:41:27,53.6446519 --> 00:41:30,473.6446519 And being a highly creative person can be lonely, cuz again, the world's not really made for you. 705 00:41:30,743.6446519 --> 00:41:33,773.6446519 So go where you are celebrated. 706 00:41:33,953.6446519 --> 00:41:35,333.6446519 Don't stay where you're tolerated. 707 00:41:35,338.6446519 --> 00:41:36,323.6446519 Go where you're celebrated. 708 00:41:36,953.6446519 --> 00:41:43,223.6446519 And yeah, find the communities of people and just get, find the people who're doing what you wanna do and get with them and in whatever way you can get with them. 709 00:41:43,758.6446519 --> 00:41:45,913.6446519 Yeah, so you have the psychographics, right? Mm-hmm. 710 00:41:45,993.6446519 --> 00:41:57,113.6446519 When you throw in the demographics as well, where I'm in some communities that I absolutely love, but I am by far the youngest person in there, probably by about 15, 20 years for sure. 711 00:41:57,213.6446519 --> 00:41:57,723.6446519 For sure. 712 00:41:57,723.6446519 --> 00:42:03,543.6446519 So I'm like, ah, like we could go out, but we talking about two different things, you know? So yeah. 713 00:42:03,663.6446519 --> 00:42:08,283.6446519 Uh, having that extra layer of like, oh, these are my people, and. 714 00:42:08,703.6446519 --> 00:42:14,133.6446519 We're all kind of in the same like period of our journeys together. 715 00:42:14,133.6446519 --> 00:42:15,813.6446519 It's a whole nother level of chemistry. 716 00:42:15,993.6446519 --> 00:42:16,353.6446519 Absolutely. 717 00:42:16,353.6446519 --> 00:42:30,483.6446519 It's so great and it's, you know, it's y'all's turn now, then you do this incredible service for those, you know, cuz I, yeah, I'm in a community of, you know, teachers and coaches and authors and stuff and yeah, we're in our fifties and sixties and seventies and we're like, well, I would love to talk to the younger people, but I don't. 718 00:42:30,483.6446519 --> 00:42:31,318.6446519 I don't know them. 719 00:42:31,318.6446519 --> 00:42:32,338.6446519 They don't wanna hang out with me. 720 00:42:32,338.6446519 --> 00:42:33,58.6446519 I'm super old. 721 00:42:33,598.6446519 --> 00:42:33,958.6446519 Yeah. 722 00:42:34,258.6446519 --> 00:42:35,728.6446519 Plea comes along like, Hey, I've got a podcast. 723 00:42:35,728.6446519 --> 00:42:35,938.6446519 I'm like, yay. 724 00:42:36,868.6446519 --> 00:42:38,728.6446519 Yeah, no. 725 00:42:38,728.6446519 --> 00:42:47,128.6446519 That's the thing too, right? Each one kind of like blames the other, but it's like both need to reach out and me in the middle, you know? It's amazing. 726 00:42:47,188.6446519 --> 00:42:48,748.6446519 We've got so much more in common than we have different. 727 00:42:48,748.6446519 --> 00:42:49,978.6446519 We do, we do. 728 00:42:50,418.6446519 --> 00:42:56,748.6446519 If you had a billboard that was sponsored by Sam, Everyone in the world saw this thing. 729 00:42:56,748.6446519 --> 00:42:59,508.6446519 It was just like on the interstate to heaven or whatever. 730 00:43:00,978.6446519 --> 00:43:08,708.6446519 And what would you want the message for people to read as they drove by? It would say, by the way, you look really great today. 731 00:43:09,918.6446519 --> 00:43:12,888.6446519 Yes, I saw that in your email all over the place. 732 00:43:12,888.6446519 --> 00:43:14,658.6446519 I put it every, everywhere I can think of to put it by the way. 733 00:43:14,658.6446519 --> 00:43:15,558.6446519 You look really great today. 734 00:43:15,828.6446519 --> 00:43:21,48.6446519 And the reason I put it there is, um, partly I just started doing it kind of as for fun and then people started saying it back to me. 735 00:43:21,48.6446519 --> 00:43:24,318.6446519 This is a good note, by the way, if you're wondering like, what's working in my marketing. 736 00:43:24,528.6446519 --> 00:43:27,48.6446519 When people start saying it back to you, when they start teasing you about it. 737 00:43:27,53.6446519 --> 00:43:27,368.6446519 Mm-hmm. 738 00:43:27,548.6446519 --> 00:43:29,148.6446519 You're on something, stick with it. 739 00:43:29,688.6446519 --> 00:43:32,208.6446519 And I've only ever had one person sort of question me about it. 740 00:43:32,208.6446519 --> 00:43:36,18.6446519 And of course he was my entertainment lawyer, only a lawyer. 741 00:43:36,258.6446519 --> 00:43:38,358.6446519 And he was like, how do you know I look really great today. 742 00:43:39,128.6446519 --> 00:43:42,648.6446519 And I said, well, David, I know because in general, People look great. 743 00:43:42,858.6446519 --> 00:43:43,758.6446519 People are pretty great looking. 744 00:43:43,788.6446519 --> 00:43:45,618.6446519 That's just my experience is that people look pretty great. 745 00:43:46,68.6446519 --> 00:43:53,58.6446519 I said, but I can prove it to you because if I took a picture of you today and I showed it to you 20 years from now, you would go, oh my God, I look fabulous. 746 00:43:55,608.6446519 --> 00:43:59,978.6446519 So stop worrying about how you look or how you think you look or how other, how you think other people think you look. 747 00:44:00,723.6446519 --> 00:44:11,163.6446519 And just know that you are just as God made you to be, and you are here to do the work that brings you joy and brings light to other people's lives in whatever way or fashion works for you. 748 00:44:11,643.6446519 --> 00:44:13,53.6446519 So get on with it. 749 00:45:45,715.0108216 --> 00:45:52,315.0108216 Executive Production by Cleon Davis, music Production by Cleon Davis and Christian Hernandez. 750 00:45:53,615.0108216 --> 00:45:55,225.0108216 Your vision is a product.